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Operation Blue Shepherd

I was shocked to hear about this operation on National Public Radio this afternoon, and to know it was Pensacola. What got my attention was one of the police officers saying that they were shocked to capture so many local people; they had expected to attract predators from surrounding states, but not so many locals. Truly sad.

And kudos to all the men in blue and officers of the court who are putting away these people who would prey on children, taking them off the game board.

You can read the entire article yourself at the Pensacola News Journal:

25 men accused of setting up child sex encounters in Pensacola sting

Twenty-five men were arrested this month in Pensacola during a weeklong undercover operation in which suspects are accused of using the Internet to set up sexual encounters with children. The suspects came to meet the minors at a home in northeast Pensacola only to find a slew of law enforcement officials waiting for them.

The sting, called Operation Blue Shepherd, began June 20 with 30 officers from local, state and federal agencies participating, according to a Pensacola Police Department press release. The results were announced at a news conference this morning at PPD.

Pensacola Police Capt. Paul Kelly said officers used various social networking and E-commerce sites to respond to advertisements of a sexual nature and to place similar advertisements.

The suspects specifically described various sexual acts they were going to do with the male and female children, ages 12 to 14, with whom they believed they were talking. All of the suspects, except one who took a taxi, drove to the undercover house with the intent to perform these sexual acts with the children. Upon arrival, they were arrested and questioned.

Kelly said officers were surprised to find so many eager participants from the immediate Pensacola area.

“We expected to have more violators traveling from outside the area. What this tells me is that these violators do not have to travel far to find their victims. They are much closer to home than we imagined. Most of them were not reluctant or frightened to approach the door of a stranger’s house. They literally pulled up to the house and walked quickly to the door eager to meet the child,” Kelly said.

Agencies participating in Operation Blue Shepherd were the State Attorney’s Office, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Immigration and Customs Enforcement , Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Escambia County Sheriff’s Office, Santa Rosa County Sheriff’s Office, Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office, Walton County Sheriff’s Office, Alachua County Sheriff’s Office, Gainesville Police Department, Fort Walton Beach Police Department, Tallahassee Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

June 27, 2011 - Posted by | Bureaucracy, Character, Community, Crime, Detective/Mystery, Florida, Law and Order, Living Conditions, Local Lore, Pensacola, Social Issues

61 Comments »

  1. Way To Go Pensacola police ,

    In the associated Video nice grabbing action by the arresting team .Well done

    Comment by daggero | June 28, 2011 | Reply

  2. I loved those videos! I loved it that we get to see how eager and confident they were, ready to engage in sex with CHILDREN. I love it that their faces are clearly visible at the end of each video, no one can say “it wasn’t me.” In Pensacola, too, if you are arrested for anything, your name is in the paper the next day. Fear of shame is a powerful weapon.

    Comment by intlxpatr | June 28, 2011 | Reply

  3. an illegal sting operation indeed. You were all lied to! It is unfortunate that they sent innocent men to prison, but not all of them did. The cops know what they did was wrong and that is exactly why they havn’t had another one of these type operations around here. Dirty ass cops

    Comment by Talkn Stang | October 4, 2013 | Reply

    • I’m guessing that the reason they haven’t done another one is that it takes time to set these up and you don’t want to do them too close together.

      Innocent men who want to have sex with underage girls? Who seek them online and groom them? Stang, we have laws to protect our children for a reason – it’s called civilization.

      Comment by intlxpatr | October 4, 2013 | Reply

      • i agree with you that any type of soliciting of minors is unacceptable, but who is soliciting who in these operations? You don’t go on adult websites soliciting minors! And i will have to inform you that you are incorrect about the reasoning behind another sting. In fact, several counties have had them within 5-6 months of each other. I have studied these stings for 2.5yrs and there are a lot of things that would blow your mind, eg, If you are on an adult site, and they say they are 14 yet they send you a photo of somebody who is well into their 20’s, do you have to believe them? They are making it so you have to believe anything that anyone says on the internet is true and that is preposterous. But that is not the only thing that’s wrong, believe me. Here’s an example of how cops go way to far from Operation Blue Shepherd http://floridacriminallawreport.com/home/tag/defenses-entrapment/

        Comment by Talkn Stang | October 13, 2013

      • It looks to me like the outcome is for the defendant. The law enforcement officer induced the accused in that case.

        Comment by intlxpatr | October 13, 2013

      • What we should have are laws against this type rogue law enforcement operation that does nothing to catch true predators. What they do do though is “cook the books’ statistically, and then they use the nature of the charges, public sentiment, and the high conviction rate to justify continued funding for a problem that doesn’t exist as they claim. This is why Florida stands out by far in the # of sting operations. It is not rocket science to figure this out! It is all about getting that free grant money from the OJJDP, but they knew what they did was wrong and that is why you won’t find any of those reports on Blue Shepherd on the Escambia County Sheriff’s Dept. website under “press releases” or anything online from WEAR3. There is a reason for that just as there is a reason why they havn’t had any of the large type stings again.

        Comment by Talkn Stang | October 13, 2013

      • You and I are both speculating 🙂 but from reading the news reports on crime in Pensacola and Escambia County, our law enforcement officials have their hands full.

        Comment by intlxpatr | October 13, 2013

      • yes, the outcome is for the defendant, but look at what you initially said when you originally posted, you had pretty much branded everyone a pedophile….but it is not just you, it is everyone else too. Do you see the problem? this is unfair and unjust. Lives are being ruined because of the lies by law enforcement. These stings rarely catch true predators. What they do do is created them and this is a prime example. This is not what should be happening in our country

        Comment by Talkn Stang | October 15, 2013

      • Stang, I understand what you are saying; I don’t agree. I can see your point. On the other hand, I am sure the LEO’s had to observe guidelines – like the guys that got stung had to think they were going for underage girls. To do something you KNOW is against the law is just wrong.

        I think you are saying that a lot of really bad dudes never get caught up in these stings; it is mostly the less sophisticated, but they still know they are doing wrong. If you have any doubt, just watch that video. Watch their behavior. They are SKULKING, they are wary and fearful of being caught. They know what they are doing is wrong.

        Comment by intlxpatr | October 15, 2013

      • and this is the problem with public perception because everyone wants to blame those arrested when the real problem lies with illegal tactics. These stings are not about catching true predators, they are about securing grant money from the OJJDP and in order to do so they must “cook the books” accordingly. Believe me, i know what i am talking about! and your comment on guidelines, well you are right, they must adhere to them as mandated by federal code….to be more precise, title 42 chapter 154 subsection 17614. but they are breaking just about every rule that they have! If you want to know more, feel free to ask because I have a plethora of info, believe me. Here’s a presentation I did if interested being that I am a criminology major https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzLomEB8bi2PTnpQQ1dSZjFJVGM/edit?usp=sharing

        Comment by Talkn Stang | October 17, 2013

      • also, entrapment is not about any guilt of the defendant, it is about the actions of law enforcement. Very rarely do they catch someone who has child porn on their computer nor is a prior sex-offender. They just create the illusion that they just caught “america’s most wanted”. It is money in the bank for them!

        Comment by Talkn Stang | October 17, 2013

  4. It is time for people to see the truth about these operations! What law enforcement is doing is nothing short of criminal conspiracy and if you had all the data/info as i have, you would understand a bit more!

    Comment by Talkn Stang | October 13, 2013 | Reply

  5. having their hands full preventing crime is one thing, having their hands full creating crime is another. There is no speculating on my behalf because i know the truth and it is far from anything that was reported on!

    Comment by Talkn Stang | October 14, 2013 | Reply

  6. Stang, you sound educated, and like someone who has been burned, much like one of the accused in your report who responded to the Craigslist ad. I totally get your point about entrapment, tempting a person into making a choice they might not otherwise make. On the other hand, the only ones arrested are those who showed up, ready to have sex with underage children.

    Comment by intlxpatr | October 17, 2013 | Reply

    • I explain everything in this article as well as provide facts to support the “conspiracy theory” Take the time to check it out. Thanks
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/13GH9fTymlqyhA3ZOwlGf7Dx7nNTjGH6NoovcTikUAi4/edit?usp=sharing

      Comment by Talkn Stang | November 6, 2013 | Reply

    • “on the other hand, the only ones arrested are those who showed up, ready to have sex with underage children.” No, you are misinformed by the public media here. They do not arrest only those who show up. There are several cases of people being tracked down at their own homes and work and arrested who did not show up. They were arrested for the conversations that they had. Some of these folks were found to have zero, no child pornography, no criminal history and no history of committing these crimes.

      Comment by Prince Machiavelli | April 19, 2014 | Reply

      • I guess I was misinformed by the film footage of the guys who showed up.

        Comment by intlxpatr | April 20, 2014

  7. Stang, I read it. I read it before I made my previous comment, footnotes, annotations and all. You make a good case, and yet – we are still talking about people who show up ready to take advantage of children, under 18 and often under 14. Who are we if we do not protect our young, including, perhaps, setting traps for those who would prey upon them?

    Comment by intlxpatr | November 6, 2013 | Reply

    • that is not the same link as the one posted previously,
      Just like the former prosecutor said, :they need to increase the quality of the investigations and not the quantity. It is not OK to prosecute innocent men just to catch a few bad guys in the process .This is a law enforcement created problem although it was legislation enacted that was flawed initially…..legislation that was ignored anyway! But what makes it worse is that they LIE and if you are fine with that…..well i’ll just say it all has to do with perception. the facts are the facts which is not what your original post is.

      Comment by Talkn Stang | November 9, 2013 | Reply

      • Stang, most of my original post was a news article. Here is the major claim: The suspects specifically described various sexual acts they were going to do with the male and female children, ages 12 to 14, with whom they believed they were talking.

        I read both articles. I understand your pain. I understand there may be other, better ways to target people who target children, but I stand by my belief that the police are doing the best they can. I don’t believe they go after people who want to commit sexual acts with children 12 – 14 for the money, I believe, even if given the funding to do so, that they take them off the streets because targeting children 12 – 14 for sex is just wrong.

        Comment by intlxpatr | November 10, 2013

  8. Interesting and pertinent quote from article on recent case:

    ICAC task forces aren’t about to stop running these kinds of online stings—which in most cases are upheld by judges. As one federal judge put it in a July 23, 2013 ruling in another Craigslist case, United States v. Cruz, “Courts have long countenanced law enforcement practices similar to those defendant challenges here.”

    But the new level of judicial scrutiny on Craigslist stings may force everyone involved to pay much closer attention to the fine line between a proper sting and entrapment. “Based on the feedback coming from the courts,” Goldman said, “I expect law enforcement will make adjustments and be less aggressive about trying to initiate illegal interactions.”

    Comment by intlxpatr | November 18, 2013 | Reply

    • I know Goldman, and he is right…..ICAC task forces are not about to stop running these kinds of online stings…..we are going to make them stop running these kinds of stings until they learn to do them properly. Yes, it has already happened and it will here in Florida.
      http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23394028/fbi-agent-who-led-sex-crimes-task-force-under-investigation

      Here’s an example of a sting operation that is done correctly
      http://www.10news.com/news/10news-accompanies-fbi-sting-to-catch-online-sex-predators

      Comment by Talkn Stang | November 28, 2013 | Reply

    • Also, Goldman is not aware that any violation of the ICAC standards is grounds for revoking their funding, and that is exactly what happened in Georgia. If you watched the video, Detective Scroggins states that they are not catching anybody for those types of crimes, when in fact what he is doing is crying because they took his damn money away and they had to lay off personnel, etc. That is what happens when you don’t play by the rules and I am eagerly waiting all expenditures associated with the N. Fl. ICAC operations including those of Operation Blue Shepherd. There are also 8 known suicides. It seems the # is steadily climbing as I document more sting data.

      Comment by Talkn Stang | November 29, 2013 | Reply

  9. Stang, I checked the prosecution results of Operation Blue Shepherd. Do you know that every single man was convicted except for one, and that one man had his case reversed on appeal? There were three judges, one voted to reverse, one said the conviction should stand, and one voted to reverse stating that the accused’s chat transcripts (which are all available online) were ambivalent. That’s a pretty strong conviction rate.

    Comment by intlxpatr | December 12, 2013 | Reply

    • yes, i know…..i have the stats on every single arrest. That appellate reversal for entrapment was me! This is why i know these operations are wrong and why i fight for the truth because others were not as fortunate. The reason why the conviction rate is so high is obvious, but if you need me to explain it I will be more than happy to. Now if you didn’t see the WKRG news story this past weekend, i’ll include the link. I was sick during the taping so excuse my appearance, but the fact that they pursued me for this interview speaks for itself. I can explain that one too if you’d like. If there wasn’t any truth to this, believe me, no news media would even touch it, but it is truthful and I back my argument up with facts. http://www.wkrg.com/story/24369062/sex-sting-backlash

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

    • if you want to check even more stats, here is our database we created, lol I’ve done my homework and then some, believe me. I wouldnt fight this issue if I didn’t have a valid argument and because I am that guy who had their case reversed on appeal, i know first hand what is happening. I can explain to you the entire decision and what the dissent was about, but it was incorrect anyway http://www.ICACarrests.com

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

    • oh yea, i was convicted too, i had no choice just like many others than to take a plea, but the biggest difference is that they offered me a sweet plea deal that would keep me out of prison and I knew i had a good argument for entrapment on appeal. This is how they get their statistics. Men are forced into plea deals or suffer a much stiffer sentence if losing at trial. The state chalks it up as a victory which makes it look like there is a predator problem when there actually isn’t. It is called cooking the books and it has been done before. They do this to secure free grant money from the DOJ. It is really a simple formula….arrests = $$$$$. Around here, there are not many attorneys who know how to handle these types of crimes which are sensitive to the public and at the time of Blue Shepherd, many just took the plea deal. Today it is a different story. We know a lot more about them not only because I have a degree in Criminology but we have so much data on so many cases. I work with numerous attorneys throughout the state helping get information out so they can help defend their clients and so much more. It is really an effort worthwhile, believe me. I hope you might be a bit more understanding of the real truth. Thanks

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

    • When it comes to the prosecution results and the appellate reversal I feel there are a few things that should be pointed out. When it comes to the appellate decision most just assume the dissenting judge thought the defendant was guilty and the conviction should stand but that isn’t quite true. The dissenting opinion was based on the procedural posture of the case rather than a determination of guilt or innocence or entrapment. He actually stated a reasonable person could easily conclude entrapment occurred but that the question of entrapment should have been put to a jury and not decided as a matter of law on a motion to dismiss.

      Now for the prosecution results. While the State was originally able to acquire an impressive record of convictions in all 25 cases, what those convictions were actually for and the sentences that were handed down deserve closer scrutiny. Only 10 of the 25 convictions resulted in state prison time. 13 of the 25 convictions were for non-sex offenses and adjudication was withheld for 9 of those cases which means not only are those defendants not registered sex offenders but they will be able to have their records expunged/sealed and their civil rights restored after they successfully complete their sentence. Only two defendants had any evidence pointing to previous or other sex crimes and finally as already pointed out, one case was overturned on appeal.

      ICAC investigations should generate “virtually unassailable” evidence that those arrested are real child predators and convictions for sex offenses should be a slam dunk for the State but considering the actual prosecution results it’s obvious this operation did nothing of the kind.

      Comment by Emma Knight | January 9, 2014 | Reply

      • Thank you, Emma, for a succinct and clear summary of the convictions from this sting.

        Comment by intlxpatr | January 9, 2014

  10. I know first hand from reading the evidence of a friend of mine in operation blue sheppard, the 19 year old female in one of the ads added herself to the mix of the encounter. she was to test how well the man is before he could have the minor, that is totally immoral, it may be ok under the law but does noit make it right. then they say in the news reports that all the men were pedophiles. normally a pedophile will have other evidence saying that is what he is IE, child porn or pic on his computer. out of the 25 men arrested only one was found to have such evidence on his computer. he was later recharged with 100 counts of possession of child porn. I will never trust law enforcement in fla their tactics in these stings is highly immoral and some of the men who were caught just wanted the 19 year old female that was very willing to participate. I know one of the officers involved participated in a police lineup of a 16 year old female on another crime. his field training officer told me that he said he would love to have some of that from a 16 year old girl. so he should have been reported and arrested but the police will always protect their own.

    Comment by nathan | January 2, 2014 | Reply

    • Nathan, i am glad to know you are understanding of the truth. Its just unfortunate that there are so many who still do not understand and that is why people like myself fight to expose this injustice. But I am not alone and we have a dedicated group of people working day and night to try and expose this corruption. The ICAC program is seriously flawed and needs to be disbanded. Somebody will be held accountable for what has happened, mark my word.As i’ve always said, just like there are dirty cops, there are dirty cop operations and this one takes the cake so to speak. Here’s our new website. http://www.floridascandal.com. Here is my article i wrote that explains everything anyone needs to know about why these operations are wrong….https://www.academia.edu/5496464/Florida_Sting_Operations_please_forward_link_to_everyone_
      and here is the story that we just did with WKRG….http://www.wkrg.com/story/24369062/sex-sting-backlash
      We are as close as ever to exposing this fraud of the worst kind and it’s about time. I am living proof that what they are doing to men is wrong. Please leave a comment on the WKRG story if you could. Thanks

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

      • OK, Stang, I’ve been to all the websites, and you have been busy and productive. Your data base is a labor of love. It’s clear you are aggrieved, and I admire that you are taking all that rage against injustice and doing something positive with it. You may be right; bureaucracy can be tempted into wrongful actions when presented with easy money.

        Can we agree that answering that Craigslist ad was probably not the smartest thing you ever did? Remember, you are talking to someone probably your Mom’s age here, and a believer. My fundamental beliefs are that sex goes with connection – preferably marriage – and that this whole episode started with your answering an ad offering sex. Forgive my ignorance – is that legal these days? It may well be, consenting adults and all that, but to me sex with an anonymous person seems dangerous and scary, but there you have it, generational. To me it seems that answering an ad like that, you got stung. You could have ended up dead. Maybe that’s part of the excitement, I don’t know, it is way out of my field of experience.

        Now that you know what you know about stings, entrapment and pedophiles, is there a way you can use all your knowledge to help law enforcement set up stings who would catch the real child molesters? You imply that they are not out there, but trust me, I know that they are. Often the perpetrator knows the victim – how do we set up programs to prevent this, to catch it before it starts or at least before it goes on for years? How do we fight against those who traffic in children to men and women who get off on sex with children and tell us – and themselves – that it is natural and normal, and that society has unfairly labeled them pedophile?

        Comment by intlxpatr | January 8, 2014

  11. I believe I can help and I do have suggestions. In fact, i made a few in the article I wrote. But in order to do that, the government has to admit that the problem exists and that is what I am working on now. The ICAC program is going to have to have an overhaul with a system of better checks to ensure they are catching the right men. I don’t even necessarily blame local law enforcement. They are just signed into the MOU with the North Florida ICAC and are more than likely following their lead. Believe me when I tell you that I know who is responsible for Florida’s numerous sting operations, i just havn’t said any names. I have also been working with a former sting prosecutor out of Orlando who is now a defense attorney and was the one who stated at the end of my article that they need to increase the quality of the investigations and not the quantity after i questioned him on a few things. And Peter Aiken, the attorney in the video, has probably been one of the most successful attorney’s in Florida in defense of sting cases. I have been working with him for some time as well. So in the end, my cause is not to just put a stop to these unlawful operations. I just want to ensure that they are catching the right people the right way instead of using these stings as propaganda. I know that there are those who do prey upon children, but those men are not being caught in these operations at all. THanks for listening. I truly appreciate it and if you’d like, i will be more than happy to keep you updated. It is just a sensitive topic that nobody wants to think in a million years that this could be happening, but it actually is.

    Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  12. in response to you the 1st part, my defense is solid, and that is that there is this thing called “social networking”. Not everyone responding to ads has evil intentions, although i should have figured it out and I can’t believe I actually fell for it myself. But social networking is everywhere, Facebook, Plenty of Fish, etc. Law enforcement has invaded these sites and have placed unlawful ads everywhere. In fact, and you’re going to like this one, there is apparently an APP that Plenty of Fish has that sends an email of potential matches to your phone/email. In one case, a guy had an email sent to his phone that was actually an LEO and he got caught because he responded to the ad. THis is unacceptable. and should not be happening. That was not a POF issue, that is law enforcement. So yes a poor choice I made, but i am no predator like i’ve been made to be. People make poor choices everyday, but I want to turn my poor choice into something positive to ensure this kind of injustice is corrected.

    Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  13. You are right Stang, we all make poor choices. You are one in 23 who is working to make the system function in a more focused and efficient manner. Sure, appreciate the updates.

    Even my age group has a lot of representation on FaceBook, etc. 🙂

    Comment by intlxpatr | January 8, 2014 | Reply

    • i really appreciate that and I do believe you are sincere. Thank you. That means a lot. I guess there are others catching on the the story too and are chime in, lol. There’s no need for that at this point. I think i have been very productive here. Even if it took me 2 years to get someone to understand, it would be worth it to me. Thanks

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 8, 2014 | Reply

    • The power of media can either make you or break you. It is kind of like the justice system in my case…..the same system of justice that wrongfully charged me with crimes i never would have committed was the same system that eventually set me free. Although the media is only reporting what law enforcement is informing them, it will be media who exposes this corruption which in turn will set many innocent men free eventually. Somehow we have to find a better way to police the bad guys because this is not a very good way for sure.

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 9, 2014 | Reply

  14. a lot of crap!they saw picture and never believed they were underage.some people go on computer and have fantasy games,you can not judge because you dont know all the facts. leo is doing the enticing, and luring. real predators offer tthings to tr and ease into it these people did not they were on looking for an adult plain and simple,

    Comment by jenn | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  15. icac standards tell you exactly what a real predator will do.

    Comment by jenn | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  16. the fbi has the proper way to catch a predator florida just neeeds to change a few tthings and not be so black and white.

    Comment by jenn | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  17. This is a hard to read thread; I will say without reading that these stings aren’t what the media puts it to be

    Comment by dannypasicolan | January 8, 2014 | Reply

  18. Jenn, I can’t figure out what you are trying to say – are you saying the stings catch the wrong people, or that they catch the right people?

    Danny – Yep. It is hard to read, but interesting if you persist.

    Comment by intlxpatr | January 9, 2014 | Reply

    • I really appreciate you letting me be able to speak out on your forum against this injustice. I think i have said before that even if it took me a year to convince 1 person that what they are doing is wrong, then it would be worth it. Without going into detail, things are really beginning to shift in our favor and there has been a botched sting operation out of Osceola county that I know of but it just hasn’t gone public yet. It will, and when people find out what actually happened, they should be appalled. This is just not good policing. Look at these recent school shootings. CNN stats say In 2005 we averaged 5 school shootings a year, as of 2013 we are averaging 15 a year. The $$ from these illegal sting operations would be better suited to equip schools to counter these damn shootings. If they want to protect the children that is….but apparently protecting them from gunmen is not something they are too concerned with. What measures have they made? Apparently none that make a difference. This is bad government. There is no other way to look at it.

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 18, 2014 | Reply

  19. Stang, I grew up in a hunting culture and I see no reason on earth for carrying concealed weapons unless you are law enforcement. Hunting weapons have to do with food, and hunters tend to follow the rules. The kinds of weaponry we have available to just about anyone on the street makes us all vulnerable. I’m not a person who texts in theatres (!) but I probably have other habits that could annoy someone enough to shoot me. The problem with school shootings is kids who have access to guns.

    The problems with stings, you say, is that they catch the wrong people, not the pedophiles but people just wanting to have sex.

    My question is – how do we most efficiently stop the pedophiles, and human traffickers?

    Comment by intlxpatr | January 18, 2014 | Reply

    • Well I explained how LEO’s are actually performing these types of operations correctly in the article. After I interviewed a former sting prosecutor, he even stated that they need to focus on the quality of the investigations and not the quantity. I believe it is just going to be a very ugly situation for the state of Florida as more of the truth is revealed and just yesterday we have more proof that LEO’s are ignorant of the “rules” and another story was aired about a probable botched sting operation out of Pinellas County. There is already one in question from last Nov in Osceola county with 12 of those 28 cases disappearing for reasons that I am aware of already. Things have got to change. This is very un-American and it is sad that we are doing this to our own citizens. I feel my work is coming to an end soon thank God. Honestly at this point, i am so ready to move on in life, but will I ever be able to truly put this behind me? i doubt it, but one thing is for sure, it is a fight worth fighting for. Thanks…..heres that new story. http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/354700/34/10-Investigates-law-enforcement-may-have-entrapped-alleged-sexual-predators

      Comment by Talkn Stang | January 31, 2014 | Reply

      • Um – on this story, bending the rules may not be breaking the law . . .

        You are right, thought, in order to have a solid prosecutable case, the LEO needs to let the target introduce the topic of age.

        Comment by intlxpatr | January 31, 2014

  20. and thanks again for letting me speak out on your blog. You have been more than gracious on a topic that is sensitive indeed.

    Comment by Talkn Stang | January 31, 2014 | Reply

    • You’ve had a tough road, but you have prevailed. There is no shame in laying down the banner from time to time. On the other hand, you have accumulated a great deal of expertise which you may be able to put to use in your life’s work.

      Comment by intlxpatr | January 31, 2014 | Reply

  21. Finally we have the government admitting that the ICAC Operational and Investigative Standards must be adhered to in this recent article
    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/02/16/Texas-AG-to-Target-Internet-Crimes-Against-Children

    This is the 1st instance of any LEA mentioning them in public. As we get closer to shutting these stings down, the state of Florida will soon find itself in a dilemma because there are so many men wrongfully incarcerated that had numerous violations of the rules. If we now look to Georgia as an indicator of things to come since that ICAC task force was shut down and still is, cases with known violations are going to be invalidated and convictions will be tossed out. What that means for Florida is that they will have to go back and review all those cases for policy violations and men are going to be set free. What the public will find out is that these men were not soliciting minors for sex as LEO’s reported just so they could “cook the books” to secure federal grant money. They knowingly and willingly violated policy, the law, due process, and lied to America. There will always be those critics who will believe whatever they read or hear, but I do believe that most will see that these operations are crooked to say the least. There will be a shake up within the Florida government over all this; that is almost a given because someone has to take the blame and I pretty much already know how that is going to work out.

    Comment by Talkn Stang | February 28, 2014 | Reply

    • the article above takes care of your “bending the rules” comment you made, and confirms that it is breaking the law…they are in violation of US Federal code. I am going to go ahead and say this, why not? but not only is this criminal conspiracy, but this has all the ingredients of racketeering …..they call it the RICO act. Whether they are concerned about that now, i dont know, but they had better be. It will be very interesting very soon, i can assure you that!

      Comment by Talkn Stang | February 28, 2014 | Reply

      • Stang, I read the article, and I do not see anything about reining in errant LEO’s, au contraire, the article is about how LEOs are learning more and more effective ways to track and capture violators.

        “As a long time affiliate agency member of the Houston Area ICAC, we have seen tremendous increases in charges and arrest of offenders in this particularly heinous activity. The market is clearly full of such predatory people and with some of the advanced tools we have seen introduced in the law enforcement arena in recent years, our capabilities to track down and locate suspects is getting better.”

        Comment by intlxpatr | February 28, 2014

    • So Stang, who is going to take the blame?

      Second, how does the recent Disney sting fall into all this?

      Comment by intlxpatr | February 28, 2014 | Reply

      • It will be those who have played the biggest role in these stings and who have pushed them on other county sheriffs. You have to wonder why Escambia county has had no other, but i can probably tell you why if I havn’t already. Theres a reason why you cannot find any trace of the event with WEAR3 and ECSD site under press releases. Grady Judd will be #1 on the list here in FLorida, but I anticipate many will have some serious issues to deal with. The DOJ’s ICAC program manager is going to be without a job and those who have turned a blind eye to the situation. Bondi and Scott will face some harsh criticism because they are aware of what is going on due to numerous complaints filed.
        In that last article, i just wanted to point out the fact that it states they must follow the standards. I agree that they should hunt down those who truly prey upon children, but these stings will soon be stopped and things will change to ensure they conduct operations properly. It is the right thing to do and it is unfortunate that they have lied to America the way they have

        Comment by Talkn Stang | March 21, 2014

  22. I agree Bondi and Scott will have problems; their policies are already experiencing huge push-back in many communities.

    Comment by intlxpatr | March 22, 2014 | Reply

    • Well i’m sure that you’re aware of Florida’s tough stance on violent sex offenders and i think they should be, but in this document, we now have proof that even legislators have connected the dots with the drastic increase in SO’s and these sting operations yet they won’t listen as far as investigating into them. That will be a big mistake for sure. (I highlighted the important info) I am glad you are somewhat understanding of this problem that is more like an epidemic .Its crazy to think that this is actually happening in our country. As soon as anyone is found to be entrapped, there should be an independent oversight committee looking into the reasoning why. Entrapment occurs due to police misconduct. If they were doing these stings properly and following procedure, there would NEVER be any cases tossed, entrapped and won at trial. It would be 100% conviction rate. Also, as soon as somebody commits suicide, there should be a full investigation as to why. The biggest question is why is this happening? That answer is soon to come and my work is almost complete! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzLomEB8bi2PaTByUEF3clZIM2c/edit?usp=sharing

      Comment by Talkn Stang | April 7, 2014 | Reply

      • OK, I scanned the proposed bill, including your highlights. Stang, I don’t understand the significance of the portions you highlighted.

        The law enforcement professionals probably do stings because they are so effective! While a 100% conviction rate would be enviable, I would guess that LEOs figure a few fish are going to wiggle out of the net.

        You are saying those little fish never should have been in the net in the first place – and you were the exception to have escaped the net and raised the alarm about some of the tactics which trap people who are not necessarily people looking to have sex with children.

        If I were a person looking for sex on the internet, I think anyone offering an under aged girl would set off loud warning bells in my mind! Wouldn’t you?

        Comment by intlxpatr | April 7, 2014

  23. the problem is that you are not hearing the whole story nor the complete conversations from these cases. It is law enforcement that is soliciting men. I have not read one case where there was a predator who was actually trying to solicit a minor using an adult website….not one. The statute is pretty clear that it must be the predator who is doing the “soliciting”, so having said that, who is the predator then? well it makes sense that it would be law enforcement as crazy as it sounds, but that is the truth. In fact I was solicited a total of (drum roll please) 15 times. Thats right 15. And how can i believe they were who they said they were when the photo they sent was actually of someone who was 28 not 14? When an attorney goes public with the same info, people should probably pay attention, you think? http://floridasexstinglawyer.com

    Comment by Talkn Stang | April 7, 2014 | Reply

  24. i just wanted to post this ad that was recently placed by LEO’s in the Tampa area. At least one Air Force guy was arrested. Targeting military servicemen is a BIG NO-NO, but that is exactly what they did. Of course i am am all over this working with a LTC(R) SF. This is about as low as they can go and really pisses me off. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zaWuUl6GX26aFdcKD3q1pYJqfmyRBFLMaNsUw-SzpzU/edit?usp=sharing

    Comment by Talkn Stang | April 23, 2014 | Reply

  25. its been a while since I posted here, but much progress in exposing corruption has been made. There are several other articles within this one. http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/10/03/changes-to-sex-stings-after-10-investigates-reports/16666641/

    Comment by Talkn Stang | November 14, 2014 | Reply

  26. Stang, I am always for strict guidelines to avoid entrapment. At the same time, Florida has a serious problem with human trafficking and people who would have sex with children. (Not just Florida, but Florida is the state we are talking about now.)

    When I see statements like this:

    A sting conducted by the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office and Clearwater Police Department last weekend netted just 11 arrests, down significantly from the 30-40 arrests most Central Florida stings were netting in recent years. Local attorneys tell 10 News the drop is likely the result of increased attention on the officers’ behavior, prompting them to stop boosting arrest totals by bending the rules.

    I almost have to laugh, because I do not believe the arrests are down because of the increased attention to officer’s behavior and obeying the guidelines. I believe arrests are down because perpetrators have become so much warier of being approached online. There is a lot going on in dark areas of the internet, where predators feel safer. What are we going to do to protect the innocent, the children?

    I understand where you are coming from, and I applaud the work you do to protect the rights of the accused. At the same time, my own focus is on protection of the exploited minors.

    Comment by intlxpatr | November 15, 2014 | Reply


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